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GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 1 Board 2 -  Eric Lui 7d vs Jianing Gan 7d]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2010-08-01]EV[2010 US Open]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Burg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.  
USGO2 [-\]: This is round 1, board 2.  I'm Chris Burg, your game recorder today.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: chris, do you know where the pairings are listed?
USGO2 [-\]: At the moment they're only posted on the wall here
Asumi [3d\]: im rooting for eric lui
Mef [-\]: Ahh, but which wall Chris? Which wall?  (=
marzo [7k\]: chemboy are you at the congress?
USGO2 [-\]: Play is about to begin
USGO2 [-\]: Eric starts the clock
]RE[W+11.50]
;B[qd]C[XY0908 [-\]: Hello Chris. Thanks for your hard work.
]
;W[nd]C[XY0908 [-\]: What an opening!
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;B[pp]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric's AGA player card can be viewed at http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=7673
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;W[dp]C[USGO2 [-\]: Jianing's player card is located at http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=17679
]
;B[pf]C[Chris [-\]: You're welcome, XY. What hard work?
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing has been sitting motionless in a Thinker pose since the game began
singleCPU [5d\]: there is a one stone diff from the rating score
]
;W[dd]C[Violence [?\]: White summons the spirit of Go Seigen, apparently
USGO2 [-\]: AGA ratings cap out at 7d, though the rating could go much higher.
]
;B[fc]C[USGO2 [-\]: AGA ranks cap out, that is.
weak5k [3k\]: Eric will win
Goprince [3d\]: jianing is a really strong kid
weak5k [3k\]: Eric strong too
Asumi [3d\]: yeah
Asumi [3d\]: i once played a teaching game with him
XY0908 [-\]: Chris... I don't believe it's an easy job recording a game. I tried few times, and it was hard. (I had to hold myself, for an example.)
USGO2 [-\]: Eric rocks from side to side as he thinks
Asumi [3d\]: lol
yamashitaK [5d\]: how old is b ?
]
;W[id]C[Goprince [3d\]: i forgot
Goprince [3d\]: 12ish?
XY0908 [-\]: And when the players paly real fast, the job becomes a nightmare.
XY0908 [-\]: play*
USGO2 [-\]: I'm not sure how old the players are, sorry
]
;B[kc]C[yamashitaK [5d\]: ok 
A1R [4k\]: no live stream?
USGO2 [-\]: Unfortunately no
USGO2 [-\]: Eric starts to play, but hesitates and withdraws his hand
]
;W[ke]C[USGO2 [-\]: Jianing is leaning very close to the board
]
;B[fe]C[XY0908 [-\]: This broadcast reminds me of the old days listening to radio shows ;-)
]
;W[df]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: i don't jianing... can you tell me about him?
Violence [?\]: He's a kid from Canada.
Violence [?\]: Very aggressive. Wrecked me in like 50 moves.
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;B[ic]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: i believe it
USGO2 [-\]: Eric adjusts the stone slightly after Jianing places it
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I belive my go is like 6 year old chinese kid level >.<
ChemBoy613 [-\]: some of these young players are so strong
Asumi [3d\]: im 13 years old, so i guess that im still young
USGO2 [-\]: The room is silent except for the beeping of clocks
USGO2 [-\]: Eric rummages through his stones briefly
]
;W[hd]
;B[hc]
;W[gd]
;B[jd]C[USGO2 [-\]: Both players are studying the board motionless now
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;W[je]
;B[fd]C[USGO2 [-\]: More stone rummaging from Eric
Chris [-\]: bad habit, that.
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;W[lc]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric plays M17 silently
]
;B[db]C[USGO2 [-\]: A cell phone briefly disrupts the room
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;W[cb]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric takes a drink of water, then stands up and leaves the room.
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing takes a rare break from his pose to switch which hand his head rests on
]
;B[dc]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric reenters the room and takes his seat.
]
;W[cc]
;B[lb]C[shikashogi [10k\]: quality commentary :D
Asumi [3d\]: LOL
notbert [7k\]: i fin dit really cool that you try to desribe the situation
shikashogi [10k\]: almost like your narrating a book/movie
]
;W[mc]C[BALLZ [3k\]: what ruleset is it?
USGO2 [-\]: AGA rules
]
;B[ce]C[BALLZ [3k\]: thx
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has 1 hour and 31 minutes remaining.  Jianing has 1 hour and 48 minutes left.
]
;W[cf]
;B[cn]C[indianayk [4d\]: Is Eric seeded #2?
USGO2 [-\]: I'm not sure how the pairings are being set up, sorry
USGO2 [-\]: The room has become quite warm now from so many thinking players in a small space
]
;W[fq]C[indianayk [4d\]: I assume then that Andy Lui is not there
]
;B[bp]
;W[qn]C[USGO2 [-\]: Jianing leaves the room after his play at B4
USGO2 [-\]: I do not see Andy on the pairings sheet or the Congress website
indianayk [4d\]: thx
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing reenters the room and mistakenly thinks he forgot to hit his clock.
USGO2 [-\]: A TD has been called over to determine how to handle the situation
USGO2 [-\]: Play will continue
]
;B[nq]
;W[qh]
;B[oc]C[jim [6d\]: K18
USGO2 [-\]: Eric hesitates again on his play
jim [6d\]: what answer black to K18?
USGO2 [-\]: He takes two stones and twiddles them in one hand
]
;W[jb]
;B[jc]
;W[kb]
;B[hf]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric adjusts the stones in the area of H14
]
;W[if]C[USGO2 [-\]: Jianing has doubled up to resting his head on both hands now
]
;B[ql]C[Dino9 [6d\]: how old is jianing?
USGO2 [-\]: He quickly returns to his original posture
yamashitaK [5d\]: I asked already ...
yamashitaK [5d\]: nobody knows
Asumi [3d\]: around 12, i think
Dino9 [6d\]: 13 or 14
GYH [3k?\]: Dec,he will 14
jirvbnhfgg: has eric an account on kgs?
blitz99: w is bbw?
]
;W[qp]
;B[qq]C[USGO2 [-\]: bigbadwolf is Andy Liu
USGO2 [-\]: It appears he didn't make it to the Go Congress this year
DarkLife [-\]: was pianist his old account 
blitz99: similar at least - maybe brothers
blitz99: in mind
CHAMPlON: no bigbadwolf is definitely eric lui
evanj [2d\]: um no he's not
CHAMPlON: um, yeah he is
trilobyte [?\]: no it's andy liu
]
;W[rq]C[blitz99: bbw did not play on kgs since march - is he ill or studying or what happened?
USGO2 [-\]: S3 makes no noise as it contacts the board
]
;B[qo]
;W[rp]C[razzzz: Eric lui is the winner of USGO 2009 no ?
CHAMPlON: yes he is
]
;B[ro]C[trilobyte [?\]: no, myungwan kim
USGO2 [-\]: Yes Myungwan won the US Open last year and Andy won the NAIM, I believe
]
;W[po]
;B[rn]
;W[pq]
;B[op]
;W[pr]
;B[on]C[evanj [2d\]: this result seems inordinately good for b, doesn't it?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric moves in closer to the board
Emerson [5k\]: Eric Liu is bbw right?
]
;W[cm]C[evanj [2d\]: no
Emerson [5k\]: Or is that Andy Liu
evanj [2d\]: yes
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has 1 hour and 8 minutes remaining.  Jianing has 1 hour and 39 minutes.
zchen [7d\]: i didnt make it to go congress this year:(
]
;B[de]C[Emerson [5k\]: Is there prize money for winning first place?
]
;W[be]
;B[bm]C[blitz99: zchen do you know what happened to andy?
Emerson [5k\]: Maybe he switched to oro
USGO2 [-\]: The link to the info about the US Open is http://gocongress.org/events.php#uso
USGO2 [-\]: Unfortunately they do not have prizes posted yet
zchen [7d\]: dont know
]
;W[bn]C[P1X3L [5k\]: but u can tell us what the prizes are?
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing hestates for the first time
]
;B[cl]C[USGO2 [-\]: I don't know the prizes at the moment, since they haven't annoucned them
]
;W[dm]
;B[bo]C[USGO2 [-\]: Both players now rest their head on a hand
Asumi [3d\]: what's oro?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric resumes twiddling two stones in one hand
]
;W[bl]
;B[an]
;W[bk]
;B[cd]
;W[bd]
;B[ed]C[CptCaveman [2d\]: I don't understand c16 at all - ending in gote at this point in the game?
]
;W[cq]
;B[dn]
;W[em]
;B[bq]C[evanj [2d\]: guess he thinks he needs the eye shape
USGO2 [-\]: Eric is leaning over the board now
Asumi [3d\]: he has an eye already
]
;W[en]C[CptCaveman [2d\]: evan, would you have done it?
]
;B[oh]C[remsleep [8k\]: thats a big right side
evanj [2d\]: probably not, no, but there is a marginal possibility that b's reading is better than mine :D
USGO2 [-\]: Yilun Yang pays a visit to the game briefly before moving on to board 1
remsleep [8k\]: will eric try to get fancy on the right or let it go ?
]
;W[qk]C[remsleep [8k\]: thought so ;-)
blitz99: yilun plays as well?
]
;B[rk]C[USGO2 [-\]: Not in the US Open
blitz99: but at another tournament during the go congress?
]
;W[qj]C[USGO2 [-\]: I'm not sure yet.  We'll know this evening.
]
;B[rj]
;W[oj]
;B[pl]C[remsleep [8k\]: must bamboo ?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric reaches into his bowl and takes a stone, but does not play it yet.
remsleep [8k\]: maybe q12
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;W[og]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric now has 44 minutes of main time remaining.  Jianing still has 1 hour and 34 minutes.
]
;B[pg]
;W[ph]C[remsleep [8k\]: it was q12, but 2nd move first ;-)
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;B[nh]C[USGO2 [-\]: Jianing plays O12 forcefully
remsleep [8k\]: w o9 good enough now?
]
;W[mj]
;B[nf]C[remsleep [8k\]: bottom now biggest w move?
]
;W[od]
;B[pd]
;W[ob]
;B[pc]
;W[li]
;B[gc]
;W[nb]
;B[di]C[remsleep [8k\]: oooooo
yuca [9k\]: nope
shoutan [2d?\]: usgo2, do you know if there is a crosstab somewhere so that we could see all the pairings?
remsleep [8k\]: i think most moves just help b
shoutan [2d?\]: thanks
USGO2 [-\]: They don't have one available yet.  Once one becomes available, we'll let you know.
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing already has a stone in hand.
shoutan [2d?\]: ok. just curious, do you know who Yixian Zhou is palyign with? I am his friend
remsleep [8k\]: i cant find any move ;-) maybe have to e11 ?
]
;W[eg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Tixian is playing Curtis Tang on board 6
]
;B[fi]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yixian*
shoutan [2d?\]: yes
]
;W[gg]
;B[hg]
;W[gh]
;B[hj]
;W[hh]
;B[cj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric returns to rummaging through his stones briefly
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;W[ck]
;B[dk]C[USGO2 [-\]: The soft sound of the air conditioners blessedly fills the room
USGO2 [-\]: It had gotten quite hot in here, though no players were making use of their Go Congress fans
P1X3L [5k\]: hot heads
USGO2 [-\]: Eric hesitates several times on his move
]
;W[dl]C[DonValley [-\]: there were go congress fans this year?
USGO2 [-\]: The noise level increases slightly as some players begin sealing a move for lunch.
]
;B[ek]C[remsleep [8k\]: b aiming e5?
USGO2 [-\]: Yes, every attendee received a plain white fan.
DonValley [-\]: can i buy one :)
]
;W[hl]C[USGO2 [-\]: I'm not sure
indianayk [4d\]: What's about to happen is eric style of game where he makes territory from outside influence or kills b 
ProoMas [12k\]: I can't see any influence =D
ProoMas [12k\]: except at E7 maybe
sensei418 [4k\]: sealing ????
USGO2 [-\]: The players would like to seal a move, but there are complications involved, since there's no means to do so at present
indianayk [4d\]: enough to attack h10 group
sensei418 [4k\]: oh ok
USGO2 [-\]: Clock has been paused since the players are unsure what to do
remsleep [8k\]: did someone have an emergency?
USGO2 [-\]: No, they just wanted to seal a move and go to lunch
remsleep [8k\]: but isn't the game understood to be one session?
USGO2 [-\]: Not with time limits this long
remsleep [8k\]: ic
USGO2 [-\]: A move has been sealed and we're adjourning for lunch
remsleep [8k\]: was there a paper kifu ?
ProoMas [12k\]: any clues when the game will be continued?
USGO2 [-\]: Players have 45 minutes to return
USGO2 [-\]: players are on lunch break; back soon
easygoing [?\]: b next move f8, possible?
ProoMas [12k\]: I don't think so :P
ProoMas [12k\]: bF8, wG9
firstcut [4k\]: time to do a contact move
firstcut [4k\]: J8
ProoMas [12k\]: what if white responds J9?
ProoMas [12k\]: I expect something like J11
ProoMas [12k\]: hmm maybe not
ProoMas [12k\]: how much time left?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has 21 minutes of main time left. Jianing has 1 hour and 22 minutes.
USGO2 [-\]: Both players have returned
]
;B[gl]C[USGO2 [-\]: The sealed move was G8
ProoMas [12k\]: I expect G9 here =D
ProoMas [12k\]: have read
ProoMas [12k\]: a lot of variations
ProoMas [12k\]: from G8 =D
]
;W[gm]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ;/
USGO2 [-\]: Eric checks Jianing's time as he waits
ProoMas [12k\]: byomi = 3x0:30?
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;B[fl]C[USGO2 [-\]: 5 x 30 seconds
ProoMas [12k\]: ok
]
;W[hk]
;B[gk]C[ProoMas [12k\]: how big g14 is?
]
;W[ij]
;B[hi]C[ProoMas [12k\]: nvm
]
;W[ii]
;B[fm]
;W[fn]
;B[ch]
;W[jq]C[ProoMas [12k\]: s14 big?
soulangel [3d\]: w can not cut
]
;B[lq]C[soulangel [3d\]: j15 will be a snapback
ProoMas [12k\]: yeah yeah I noticed that ;D
remsleep [8k\]: w has a lot of nice yose to cash later
]
;W[rf]C[ProoMas [12k\]: yay
ProoMas [12k\]: s14 =D
]
;B[rg]C[ProoMas [12k\]: s12?
remsleep [8k\]: w has like 4 monkeys as it stands now
ProoMas [12k\]: hmm
]
;W[qg]C[ProoMas [12k\]: one at P18
]
;B[qf]C[ProoMas [12k\]: one at Q2
ProoMas [12k\]: one at B9
ProoMas [12k\]: and?
ProoMas [12k\]: double-monkey on the left side =D?
remsleep [8k\]: g19
]
;W[rh]C[remsleep [8k\]: T17
]
;B[re]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ah I see
ProoMas [12k\]: 1 less now
ProoMas [12k\]: :P
remsleep [8k\]: ;-)
ProoMas [12k\]: monkey jump keeps sente right?
remsleep [8k\]: it depends on stuff higher than my lvl ;-)
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
ProoMas [12k\]: btw
ProoMas [12k\]: if white jumps from K18
ProoMas [12k\]: b can get a ko from it
ProoMas [12k\]: no?
ProoMas [12k\]: like
ProoMas [12k\]: wG19
Violence [?\]: uh, you can't jump like that.
ProoMas [12k\]: bG18
ProoMas [12k\]: nvm
ProoMas [12k\]: I suck
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
Violence [?\]: because black just playes J18
Violence [?\]: plays^
ProoMas [12k\]: yeah so
ProoMas [12k\]: wG19
Violence [?\]: and you need to keep your K18 stones from dying
ProoMas [12k\]: bJ18
ProoMas [12k\]: wJ19
Violence [?\]: then L19...
ProoMas [12k\]: bG18
Violence [?\]: no...
ProoMas [12k\]: =(
Violence [?\]: not G18, L19
ProoMas [12k\]: OHHH
ProoMas [12k\]: yeah
Violence [?\]: kills two stones.
ProoMas [12k\]: just noticed
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
ProoMas [12k\]: I'm guessing w will N13
ProoMas [12k\]: possible?
remsleep [8k\]: is w considering bottom vs start serious yose?
peter2 [2k\]: L5
ProoMas [12k\]: N13 first?
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
]
;W[kq]C[remsleep [8k\]: not sure how much n13 gains
Violence [?\]: L3... that's interesting
ProoMas [12k\]: I do not get this move =(
remsleep [8k\]: now he can bank big with next move
]
;B[kp]
;W[jp]
;B[ko]
;W[lr]C[remsleep [8k\]: what is m2?
ProoMas [12k\]: I don't get what w is doing =(
ProoMas [12k\]: what is trying to do a jigo?
]
;B[hm]C[ProoMas [12k\]: white*
]
;W[gn]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: can he bank as big as Lehman Brothers?
P1X3L [5k\]: ...
remsleep [8k\]: well, it's too big to die ;-)
remsleep [8k\]: still dont get m2 -- someone?
ProoMas [12k\]: m2
ProoMas [12k\]: is reverse-divine move
ProoMas [12k\]: ;D
iancho [1d\]: n2, k6
remsleep [8k\]: makes k6 safe?
iancho [1d\]: w building centre
AutoAtari [3k\]: and doing some yose at the same time
]
;B[mr]
;W[lp]
;B[mq]C[ProoMas [12k\]: b J7?
]
;W[jn]C[ProoMas [12k\]: not anymore
ProoMas [12k\]: :P
USGO2 [-\]: Both players stare impassively at the board now
remsleep [8k\]: without m2, b can push in here?
iancho [1d\]: w cannot hane at l7
ProoMas [12k\]: ohhhh
ProoMas [12k\]: so w read this far?
USGO2 [-\]: A rare hesitation from Jianing
]
;B[jm]C[iancho [1d\]: yes, its a technique w knows off by heart
ProoMas [12k\]: j10?
RabidWolve [1d?\]: Impassive stares are dangerous at their level.
ProoMas [12k\]: j10/j9 etc?
RabidWolve [1d?\]: That usually means they're thinking too hard to have room for emotions.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric's clock warns him that he has 5 minutes of main time remaining
ProoMas [12k\]: wJ10, bL7, w J7?
peter2 [2k\]: are they using the annoying talking clock?
]
;W[kn]C[ProoMas [12k\]: oh wow
ProoMas [12k\]: wth?
ProoMas [12k\]: b captures with j10 now 
ProoMas [12k\]: no?
NullSet [2k\]: you mean j9, and i think no
ProoMas [12k\]: oh no
ProoMas [12k\]: wait
ProoMas [12k\]: no he doesn't >.>
iancho [1d\]: sshhhh
ProoMas [12k\]: ?
]
;B[ik]
;W[il]
;B[jk]
;W[im]
;B[ih]C[ProoMas [12k\]: wooow
]
;W[ji]
;B[ig]C[remsleep [8k\]: b will k12
remsleep [8k\]: or not
]
;W[bb]C[ProoMas [12k\]: seems complicated for b
]
;B[bg]
;W[bf]C[iancho [1d\]: b seems bust
remsleep [8k\]: m11 not obviously alive to me
ProoMas [12k\]: it can connect out using N13 sente
Shadonra [1d\]: can connect to top or capture cutting stones
]
;B[nk]
;W[nj]
;B[jl]
;W[in]C[ProoMas [12k\]: Eric time?
]
;B[ll]
;W[mg]
;B[ng]C[USGO2 [-\]: 1 minutes
USGO2 [-\]: Sorry, 1 minute
mhl13 [5k\]: g14
iancho [1d\]: b has acieved nothing and provoked l6.
ProoMas [12k\]: g14? what for?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric is in byo yomi
]
;W[jg]C[remsleep [8k\]: bottom bank plus yose looks plenty to me
remsleep [8k\]: plus komi ;-)
ProoMas [12k\]: M16?
]
;B[ok]C[Bruno [1d\]: who won the european tornament?
ProoMas [12k\]: why bM16 isn't a valid move?
]
;W[pj]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: it is valid, but not necessarily good
]
;B[ib]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ok
remsleep [8k\]: w tesuji around m8?
]
;W[la]
;B[lo]
;W[ln]
;B[mo]C[JottKa [2k\]: @Bruno [1d\]:egc goes on 2 weeks
AutoAtari [3k\]: n8 perhaps?
]
;W[br]C[ProoMas [12k\]: n7?
]
;B[cp]
;W[dq]
;B[ar]C[ProoMas [12k\]: n7 opens a lot of threats for b?
]
;W[qb]
;B[pb]
;W[pa]
;B[sf]C[ProoMas [12k\]: s17 now?
remsleep [8k\]: its ka-chings all around
]
;W[mf]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric shakes his head slightly
joyi: d1
]
;B[jh]C[joyi: c2 biggest
]
;W[kh]C[remsleep [8k\]: w a12 too
]
;B[ge]C[mhl13 [5k\]: that's what g14 was for
USGO2 [-\]: More head shaking from Eric
]
;W[rm]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ?
]
;B[qm]C[ProoMas [12k\]: mhl13
ProoMas [12k\]: g14 doesn't cut off
ProoMas [12k\]: blacks group
mhl13 [5k\]: it did before
]
;W[so]C[ProoMas [12k\]: nop
AutoAtari [3k\]: maybe his neck got stiff
ProoMas [12k\]: g14, g15
ProoMas [12k\]: then w can't h15
ProoMas [12k\]: because it would be self atari
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing gets up and leaves the room just before Eric plays T5
ProoMas [12k\]: on h16 stone
ProoMas [12k\]: see?
remsleep [8k\]: didnt see that at all
ProoMas [12k\]: ^_^
remsleep [8k\]: must s8
ProoMas [12k\]: ?
ProoMas [12k\]: why?
]
;B[pn]
;W[sn]
;B[oo]C[remsleep [8k\]: w wil capture
elliot [8k\]: can't
remsleep [8k\]: oops not
ProoMas [12k\]: w would capture if bS8
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
]
;W[rc]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: the other way around
ProoMas [12k\]: ?
]
;B[ie]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: b would capture if w S8
]
;W[oe]
;B[of]C[ProoMas [12k\]: I mean before P5
ProoMas [12k\]: S5 stones were in atari
ProoMas [12k\]: so if bS8
AutoAtari [3k\]: that's too trivial
ProoMas [12k\]: w S6 and captures them
]
;W[jf]C[ProoMas [12k\]: T6*
joyi: b1
AutoAtari [3k\]: R6*
ProoMas [12k\]: no, T6
ProoMas [12k\]: there was a white stone at R6 ant Q5
AutoAtari [3k\]: that was earlier, you said before P5
ProoMas [12k\]: yeah, before P5
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing still has just over an hour left of main time
USGO2 [-\]: Eric still has all 5 byo yomi periods
]
;B[kr]C[joyi: c2 bigger?
]
;W[jr]C[ProoMas [12k\]: umm the same?
]
;B[ls]C[joyi: c2 2 points bigger
ProoMas [12k\]: maybe
remsleep [8k\]: w a12
]
;W[bs]
;B[do]C[ProoMas [12k\]: a12 looks superb =D
ProoMas [12k\]: hmmm
ProoMas [12k\]: but
]
;W[eo]C[ProoMas [12k\]: maybe A11 better
ProoMas [12k\]: not sure
]
;B[js]C[remsleep [8k\]: pull back
]
;W[ir]
;B[is]C[joyi: now it looks l2 bigger
]
;W[hs]C[remsleep [8k\]: block
]
;B[ks]C[remsleep [8k\]: i just called 2 Eric moves ;-)
ProoMas [12k\]: ?
fffanka [5d?\]: wow this really hurts white
ProoMas [12k\]: which ones
]
;W[hr]C[A1R [4k\]: n7 big
fffanka [5d?\]: last 10 moves...?
AutoAtari [3k\]: Eric just played like an 8k for a while :p
ProoMas [12k\]: Eric is in byomi
ProoMas [12k\]: so it's to be expected =D
ProoMas [12k\]: b10 big
]
;B[mh]C[fffanka [5d?\]: byo yomi is at least 30 sec ea..... 
ProoMas [12k\]: yes it is =)
]
;W[lh]C[remsleep [8k\]: could he have blocked k1?
ProoMas [12k\]: unfavourable ko for black then
fffanka [5d?\]: and b10 is like 1.5 points
ProoMas [12k\]: but who knows what can happen in ko
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
RobSchley [7k\]: think b would have gone for the ko and kill k3 group?
A1R [4k\]: n7 bigger?
RobSchley [7k\]: if w blocked at k1
RobSchley [7k\]: or, k2
]
;B[kj]C[RobSchley [7k\]: sorry, j1
RobSchley [7k\]: whatever it was
fffanka [5d?\]: s8 when he has the chance...
]
;W[ki]C[ProoMas [12k\]: w?
]
;B[lj]C[ProoMas [12k\]: what about
ProoMas [12k\]: N7?
RobSchley [7k\]: w can't s8
]
;W[mi]C[remsleep [8k\]: push in
]
;B[mn]
;W[mk]
;B[ml]C[remsleep [8k\]: a12
AutoAtari [3k\]: a12 not that important
]
;W[eh]C[kenshin9 [5k\]: a12 = useless
]
;B[ei]C[ProoMas [12k\]: a 12 is like 2 points, no?
kenshin9 [5k\]: b11 if anything
ProoMas [12k\]: a11
ProoMas [12k\]: a11*
]
;W[bi]
;B[bj]C[ProoMas [12k\]: b12?
]
;W[aj]C[remsleep [8k\]: excellent he play in the right area ;-)
kenshin9 [5k\]: 12k shouldread instead of asking
]
;B[bh]C[ProoMas [12k\]: a8 now?
ProoMas [12k\]: 1 point if I see it right
ProoMas [12k\]: 2 points*
]
;W[or]C[ProoMas [12k\]: no nvm
ProoMas [12k\]: 0 points =D
]
;B[pe]C[ProoMas [12k\]: s16?
]
;W[qr]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: hm.. f8 just barely alive
]
;B[rl]C[shikashogi [10k\]: proomas try e8
]
;W[lk]C[ProoMas [12k\]: yeah that's 1 point too
ProoMas [12k\]: but a ko threat aswell
]
;B[kk]C[ProoMas [12k\]: =D
RiT [5d\]: e8 is -1
]
;W[sm]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ?
ProoMas [12k\]: wE8 is 1 point, no?
RiT [5d\]: -1
kenshin9 [5k\]: ddk play : m7,l7 n7 o7 k10 xD
AutoAtari [3k\]: e8 lets b get g11
RiT [5d\]: it's negative 1
ProoMas [12k\]: since when dames are -1 o.0
]
;B[le]C[RiT [5d\]: when u force opponent to get more points
fffanka [5d?\]: doesnt work ....?
joyi: doesn't work?
fffanka [5d?\]: wait im hallucinating
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has used 1 of his byo yomi periods
joyi: n14
kenshin9 [5k\]: l16 n15
RiT [5d\]: m13
]
;W[lf]
;B[ld]C[RiT [5d\]: 14*
]
;W[ri]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: so complex
ProoMas [12k\]: not really o.0
kenshin9 [5k\]: not really :P
fffanka [5d?\]: that was ausing
fffanka [5d?\]: amusing*
ProoMas [12k\]: w just ensured he'll make 2nd eye
joyi: white lost 4 points
]
;B[gi]C[ProoMas [12k\]: because he's cut off
AutoAtari [3k\]: actually, why not just w n15?
RiT [5d\]: coz n15 has 0 point?
kenshin9 [5k\]: n15 dame
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has used a second byo yomi period
AutoAtari [3k\]: it makes life and threatens to take m15
fffanka [5d?\]: n15 1 point last time i checked
]
;W[gf]
;B[he]C[kenshin9 [5k\]: no need to make life
RiT [5d\]: n15, b l16
RiT [5d\]: it still can cut after this
RiT [5d\]: with l13 and n16
RiT [5d\]: now this cut will hurt
]
;W[da]
;B[ea]C[Trumelunki [4d\]: which just means n15 is 1 point in gote
]
;W[ca]
;B[ja]
;W[mb]C[fffanka [5d?\]: so its still 1 point is what ur telling me
AutoAtari [3k\]: ok, well, it's complex as I said :p
]
;B[sd]
;W[sc]
;B[qc]
;W[rb]C[kenshin9 [5k\]: i see a 1 point ko O:
]
;B[ns]C[kenshin9 [5k\]: 2*
]
;W[os]C[fffanka [5d?\]: a14 
]
;B[ef]C[ProoMas [12k\]: nice
ProoMas [12k\]: nice find by black
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
]
;W[dg]
;B[sl]
;W[sp]C[remsleep [8k\]: b m7 2pts
]
;B[af]
;W[ae]C[iancho [1d\]: surely m7 was w's privilege
]
;B[nr]C[fffanka [5d?\]: m7 already resolved
]
;W[ff]
;B[ee]C[RiT [5d\]: b m7 w l7 and q9
RiT [5d\]: then it's same as w m7
fffanka [5d?\]: m7 are is just dame
fffanka [5d?\]: area*
AutoAtari [3k\]: a14 is funny
]
;W[oi]C[evanj [2d\]: w wins?
]
;B[jo]
;W[io]C[ProoMas [12k\]: probably
deSAM [10k\]: n15 ?
]
;B[fh]C[ProoMas [12k\]: close tho
]
;W[fg]C[Dino9 [6d\]: AGA rules are chinese?
]
;B[rd]C[fffanka [5d?\]: no rofl
Athanor [-\]: l16?
]
;W[sj]C[remsleep [8k\]: fill dame tho
Athanor [-\]: oh, won't work
fffanka [5d?\]: dame b/c white plays last
]
;B[kd]C[fffanka [5d?\]: in AGA rules. jap counting
ProoMas [12k\]: n15 1 pt now
Dino9 [6d\]: what's different?
]
;W[ag]
;B[ah]C[evanj [2d\]: no proo
]
;W[ai]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ?
evanj [2d\]: 's not
]
;B[af]C[remsleep [8k\]: jpn preferred abbrev....
evanj [2d\]: if w n15, b n16
AutoAtari [3k\]: just check SL already :p
fffanka [5d?\]: well w might lose a point
fffanka [5d?\]: b/c he has to play last
]
;W[ka]C[ProoMas [12k\]: after bN15
]
;B[ia]C[ProoMas [12k\]: white loses 1 pt
]
;W[ag]
;B[kg]
;W[kf]C[evanj [2d\]: w loses that point anyway
]
;B[af]C[fffanka [5d?\]: no he doesnt rofl
ProoMas [12k\]: o.0
fffanka [5d?\]: wtf are you talking aobut
joyi: a9
ProoMas [12k\]: not if he plays that himself?
]
;W[eb]
;B[fa]
;W[ag]
;B[me]C[evanj [2d\]: w n15 b n16, that's what
]
;W[lg]
;B[af]
;W[fb]
;B[ga]
;W[ag]C[fffanka [5d?\]: lol i thought u were talking about aga/jap rules XD
miao [6d\]: w a9 
ProoMas [12k\]: oh
miao [6d\]: !!!!!!
]
;B[qa]
;W[ra]C[Dino9 [6d\]: they don't see m7?
joyi: a9 ko threat
]
;B[af]C[Trumelunki [4d\]: m7 ko threat for both?
miao [6d\]: m7 nothing
miao [6d\]: ....
kukulis4 [2d\]: m7 much bigger than this ko
]
;W[ak]C[joyi: m7 1 point
]
;B[ci]C[Dino9 [6d\]: ah yes
]
;W[ag]C[Dino9 [6d\]: because q9 ok
evanj [2d\]: m7 is not one point
Trumelunki [4d\]: m7 no points, but threat for both
fffanka [5d?\]: m7 is dame
]
;B[nc]
;W[md]
;B[af]
;W[gb]
;B[ha]C[barakeel [3d\]: m7 is a threat for white
AutoAtari [3k\]: I like dames
]
;W[ag]
;B[cr]
;W[dr]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: I c
]
;B[af]C[Trumelunki [4d\]: naahm not threat for black
fffanka [5d?\]: fair enough
evanj [2d\]: two threats, actually
]
;W[fj]
;B[ej]
;W[ag]
;B[rr]C[fffanka [5d?\]: a3 is a threat lol
]
;W[sr]
;B[af]C[Dino9 [6d\]: a3 is threat but no
ProoMas [12k\]: E17, A3
]
;W[lm]
;B[mm]
;W[ag]C[SnC [2k\]: who is leading
]
;B[ss]
;W[rs]C[RiT [5d\]: w
]
;B[af]C[remsleep [8k\]: due to crucial play in a12 as i suggested
ProoMas [12k\]: l7
fffanka [5d?\]: a17 threat for b
SnC [2k\]: so is that ko important for w?
]
;W[km]C[indianayk [4d\]: about even on the board
]
;B[kl]C[Dino9 [6d\]: A18 better
]
;W[ag]
;B[ma]
;W[na]
;B[af]C[ProoMas [12k\]: e17
Dino9 [6d\]: t11
fffanka [5d?\]: oh right
]
;W[si]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ?
kenshin9 [5k\]: e17-a3?
ProoMas [12k\]: what kind of a threat is that
]
;B[sg]
;W[ag]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: a high-level one
]
;B[ab]C[Dino9 [6d\]: i wouldn't connect there
]
;W[ac]C[RobSchley [7k\]: threat to start another ko
]
;B[af]C[ProoMas [12k\]: another ko for 1 point?
barakeel [3d\]: adn to lose one more point
]
;W[ec]C[ProoMas [12k\]: T_T
]
;B[dd]
;W[ag]
;B[am]C[fffanka [5d?\]: no points lost
SnC [2k\]: a 3
]
;W[af]
;B[al]
;W[cl]C[fffanka [5d?\]: w takes ko first if a3 >.>
]
;B[aq]
;W[cs]
;B[jj]C[Dino9 [6d\]: a3 was no threat
]
;W[el]
;B[dh]C[fffanka [5d?\]: awww ok
]
;W[cg]
;B[as]
;W[oq]
;B[sh]
;W[ne]
;B[ni]
;W[pk]
;B[sk]C[ProoMas [12k\]: w+14.5?
ProoMas [12k\]: when it was near the end, it was w+3
barakeel [3d\]: if you start a ko and you lose it then you lose one point ffanka
ProoMas [12k\]: so wowo
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
wingnoll [12k\]: there are still some intersections not filled in =(
slang [10k\]: AGA rule - SE can't handle this
Corun [8k\]: Heh
ProoMas [12k\]: like?
Dino9 [6d\]: if japanese W+10,5
ProoMas [12k\]: what is aga rule?
sheeryjay [2k\]: SE can handle it perfectly if you change the ruleset to japanese (in offline view e.g.)
ProoMas [12k\]: what's aga rule ;O?
yuki3 [7k\]: what's SE?
ProoMas [12k\]: xD
remsleep [8k\]: fill dame w passes last
ProoMas [12k\]: score estimator
USGO2 [-\]: W+ 11.5
yuki3 [7k\]: ^^
slang [10k\]: see, not the same as Japanese rule
Edelweiss [-\]: AGA Rules ::: http://www.usgo.org/resources/downloads/completerules.pdf
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